J:** Is that also where you first met Paul? **D:** No, I think I first met Paul at The Foundry \[former bar/concert venue/gallery on Old Street, East/Central London\] when Olivier Rodriguez was organising concerts at that time at The Foundry and I think I saw him playing with Mark Fletcher — Paul’s schoolmate from Lancashire. **J:** Paul was playing electronics? **D:** Yes, at that time is was already playing electronics, but he was playing really minimalistic, super low volume stuff. It was more like this what he was doing. **J:** When you went to the workshop what did you bring with you? **D:** I brought an electric guitar that I’d bought for ichi-man yen \[approx 700 kronor\] in Machida near my hometown. And I had my fork… and knife… to play on the pickup… but y’know I don’t know how to play and I didn’t like the strings of the guitar, so I wanted to take the strings out as I was just interested in the pick-up and hitting it with the knife and metal things. Anyway, I didn’t like the strings. I just wanted the mic. And then I found out about contact mics on the internet and that’s how I really started to play. **J:** So you were using the guitar with the contact mic? **D:** I think in the beginning I had both. I was also in a band called ‘Ampersand’. That was with a friend from the school (LCC) and he had a band with his father and his grandfather and his father’s friend. A family band. They live in Brockley. A noise band. They had a lot of metal objects and a scaffold. So we would have to build the scaffold first for each performance and they hung the metal objects. They had a friend who was a metal sculptor. **J:** You played a lot of concerts? **D:** Yeah, I think I even went to Hungary to play once **J:** This was at the same time as you were at LCC? **D:** Yeah, the same time or just after I entered LCC. I think I did that for a few years. **J:** You were going to the workshop at the same time? **D:** Yeah yeah yeah. When I got to know Cafe OTO I was still playing with them a little bit. It was towards the end, but, yes… **J:** Who was playing in the workshop then? **D:** That time was amazing. There was already Guillaume \[Viltard, Double Bassist\], Ute \[Kanngiesser, Cellist\], Jamie Coleman \[Saxophonist\] and Eddie, Ross \[Lambert, guitarist\], Michael Rodgers was still coming sometimes – Do you know him? A really good guitarist. An American guy. Bechir Saade…. Who else? For me they were the most important people. **J:** Did you s